Outlaws Podcast with Kate Offer and Shayla Strapps
I worked as a commercial lawyer for a very long time, so I was thrilled to be invited to speak on the Outlaws Podcast, hosted by lawyers Kate Offer and Shayla Strapps about unlearning the rules of work and worth.
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Outlaws Podcast is real career talk for professionals rethinking success. Hosted by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer, we share stories and tools to help you design work that serves your life.

We spoke about my journey from commercial law to writing Matia and following a creative pull that never really went away. We also talked about rejection, resilience, motherhood, tiny writing windows (often in the car) and what it felt like to finally have Matia published.
Thank you to Kate and Shayla for having me! You can listen to my episode here wherever you get your podcasts.
